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		<title>Comment on If Democrats AND Republicans had any brains, they&#8217;d VOTE Libertarian by Bailey Jenkins</title>
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		<author>Bailey Jenkins</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there are lots of social issues these days mostly due to our culture and economic situation`*`</description>
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		<title>Comment on Che what? by Michael</title>
		<link>http://theliberalconservative.com/?p=52#comment-1539</link>
		<author>Michael</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating all these Che apologists. It does seem, though, that the vast majority are quite young. That's an important point. We have short cultural memories. The young who haven't lived through these historical events need to be informed about how it was. If you fit that profile, I strongly urge you, read Arendt, Orwell, Camus, Koestler, Djilas, Kundera, Fang Lizhi, and so many more.

A simple thought experiment is helpful here. Ask yourself, can a free market society tolerate collectivism within its midst? The logical and historical answer is yes. There have always been cooperatives, communes and various kinds of intentional communities within capitalist society. And logically, as long as they don't interfere with anyone else, there can be no principled objection. Now ask the question the other way around: can a collectivist, command economy, tolerate free entrepreneurs? The logical and historical answer is no. In such societies, these people are called black marketeers, they're arrested and often severally punished. And logically, this has to be the case. In a free market society people are at liberty to do as they please as long as they do not interfere with others. In the collectivist society, anyone who wants to go their own way is a leak in the dike; they have to be eliminated for fear that the dike burst and the model collectivist society is washed away in the flood. That's why collectivist, command economy, societies will always need murderous enforcers like Che. 

Don't, though, make the mistake of confusing business operators with free markets. Many of them are free marketers only until they gain a competitive upper hand. Then they want government intervention in the economy that prevents more free entry from potential competitors. Free markets are not for capitalists, but for consumers. They're the greatest engine of prosperity and liberty humans have ever discovered. They, in fact, are the real proletariat revolution! 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating all these Che apologists. It does seem, though, that the vast majority are quite young. That&#8217;s an important point. We have short cultural memories. The young who haven&#8217;t lived through these historical events need to be informed about how it was. If you fit that profile, I strongly urge you, read Arendt, Orwell, Camus, Koestler, Djilas, Kundera, Fang Lizhi, and so many more.</p>
<p>A simple thought experiment is helpful here. Ask yourself, can a free market society tolerate collectivism within its midst? The logical and historical answer is yes. There have always been cooperatives, communes and various kinds of intentional communities within capitalist society. And logically, as long as they don&#8217;t interfere with anyone else, there can be no principled objection. Now ask the question the other way around: can a collectivist, command economy, tolerate free entrepreneurs? The logical and historical answer is no. In such societies, these people are called black marketeers, they&#8217;re arrested and often severally punished. And logically, this has to be the case. In a free market society people are at liberty to do as they please as long as they do not interfere with others. In the collectivist society, anyone who wants to go their own way is a leak in the dike; they have to be eliminated for fear that the dike burst and the model collectivist society is washed away in the flood. That&#8217;s why collectivist, command economy, societies will always need murderous enforcers like Che. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t, though, make the mistake of confusing business operators with free markets. Many of them are free marketers only until they gain a competitive upper hand. Then they want government intervention in the economy that prevents more free entry from potential competitors. Free markets are not for capitalists, but for consumers. They&#8217;re the greatest engine of prosperity and liberty humans have ever discovered. They, in fact, are the real proletariat revolution! </p>
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		<title>Comment on Che what? by John</title>
		<link>http://theliberalconservative.com/?p=52#comment-1538</link>
		<author>John</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 03:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the words spoken by Javier Arzuaga to Alvaro Vargas Llosa about La Cabaña and Che:

“there were about eight hundred prisoners in a space fit for no more than three hundred: former Batista military and police personnel, some journalists, a few businessmen and merchants. The revolutionary tribunal was made of militiamen. Che Guevara presided over the appellate court. He never overturned a sentence. I would visit those on death row at the galera de la muerte. A rumor went around that I hypnotized prisoners because many remained calm, so Che ordered that I be present at the executions. After I left in May, they executed many more, but I personally witnessed fifty-five executions. There was an American, Herman Marks, apparently a former convict. We called him “the butcher” because he enjoyed giving the order to shoot. I pleaded many times with Che on behalf of prisoners. I remember especially the case of Ariel Lima, a young boy. Che did not budge. Nor did Fidel, whom I visited. I became so traumatized that at the end of May 1959 I was ordered to leave the parish of Casa Blanca, where La Cabaña was located and where I had held Mass for three years. I went to Mexico for treatment. The day I left, Che told me we had both tried to bring one another to each other’s side and had failed. His last words were: “When we take our masks off, we will be enemies.”

If you still dont believe that Che was an evil man, ask yourself what proof need be presented to change your mind. The United States isnt responsible for the poor state of the latin america, cant you see how ridiculous that argument is? One one hand you say we ruined Cuba by instituting an embargo, and on the other you say we ruined Latin America because we "screwed" them with our influences. What should we do?

As you sit on your computer supporting communist revolutionaries keep in mind that in the countries where this ideology is followed not a SINGLE non government person from ANY communist country will EVER comment on this or ANY article you will read. Because they cant. The very fact that you disagree with me and are replying on this blog is what makes capitalism great</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the words spoken by Javier Arzuaga to Alvaro Vargas Llosa about La Cabaña and Che:</p>
<p>“there were about eight hundred prisoners in a space fit for no more than three hundred: former Batista military and police personnel, some journalists, a few businessmen and merchants. The revolutionary tribunal was made of militiamen. Che Guevara presided over the appellate court. He never overturned a sentence. I would visit those on death row at the galera de la muerte. A rumor went around that I hypnotized prisoners because many remained calm, so Che ordered that I be present at the executions. After I left in May, they executed many more, but I personally witnessed fifty-five executions. There was an American, Herman Marks, apparently a former convict. We called him “the butcher” because he enjoyed giving the order to shoot. I pleaded many times with Che on behalf of prisoners. I remember especially the case of Ariel Lima, a young boy. Che did not budge. Nor did Fidel, whom I visited. I became so traumatized that at the end of May 1959 I was ordered to leave the parish of Casa Blanca, where La Cabaña was located and where I had held Mass for three years. I went to Mexico for treatment. The day I left, Che told me we had both tried to bring one another to each other’s side and had failed. His last words were: “When we take our masks off, we will be enemies.”</p>
<p>If you still dont believe that Che was an evil man, ask yourself what proof need be presented to change your mind. The United States isnt responsible for the poor state of the latin america, cant you see how ridiculous that argument is? One one hand you say we ruined Cuba by instituting an embargo, and on the other you say we ruined Latin America because we &#8220;screwed&#8221; them with our influences. What should we do?</p>
<p>As you sit on your computer supporting communist revolutionaries keep in mind that in the countries where this ideology is followed not a SINGLE non government person from ANY communist country will EVER comment on this or ANY article you will read. Because they cant. The very fact that you disagree with me and are replying on this blog is what makes capitalism great</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Democrats AND Republicans had any brains, they&#8217;d VOTE Libertarian by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://theliberalconservative.com/?p=95#comment-1537</link>
		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article was good, libertarians generally are classical liberals of the Jeffersonian tradition.  Democrats and Republicans share some commonalities with Jefferson but deviate from him in ways.  You did mention anarchism which is interesting.  Anarchism is not about chaos or violence but also has a rich philosophical tradition.  It promotes the idea of decentralized government, direct democracy, greater equality, and less hiearchy or self management.  Anarchism is really the logical extension of classical liberalism.  While a classical liberal would argue for federalism and states rights, an anarchist would take it further and argue for direct rule by the people within their local community.  Each community would be automous but loosely federated with other communities.  Its basically an ultra localism and ultra federalism that directly empowers the people.  Many libertarians actually are anarchists, but some are minarchists which is basically the classical liberal limited state view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article was good, libertarians generally are classical liberals of the Jeffersonian tradition.  Democrats and Republicans share some commonalities with Jefferson but deviate from him in ways.  You did mention anarchism which is interesting.  Anarchism is not about chaos or violence but also has a rich philosophical tradition.  It promotes the idea of decentralized government, direct democracy, greater equality, and less hiearchy or self management.  Anarchism is really the logical extension of classical liberalism.  While a classical liberal would argue for federalism and states rights, an anarchist would take it further and argue for direct rule by the people within their local community.  Each community would be automous but loosely federated with other communities.  Its basically an ultra localism and ultra federalism that directly empowers the people.  Many libertarians actually are anarchists, but some are minarchists which is basically the classical liberal limited state view.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Che what? by J</title>
		<link>http://theliberalconservative.com/?p=52#comment-1536</link>
		<author>J</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Dear: I assume you know nothing about international politics. Most countries that I am sure you are talking about have continued to be used for its minerals or its oil. I also assume you ignore the fact that most of these societies have been controlled by foreign powers since their inception. All of this control has been by "democratic" countries, so the only examples of democracy they have seen have been and continue to be those of brutal, greedy, exploitive occupiers. Not to mention when they created the boundaries they pretty much just drew lines on a map ignoring any cultural differences. Cuba's economic problems have not come from Cuba itself, it has come from the US embargo and how it forced dependency on the Soviet Union who did not do Cuba any favors but it was the Cold War and we only gave countries two options. Go through the list at least for Latin America: Nicaragua screwed because of us, Bolivia screwed because of us, Chile screwed because of us, Argentina screwed because of us, Haiti screwed by us, Guatemala screwed by us, Honduras screwed by us, we can continue to pretty much every Latin American country there is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Dear: I assume you know nothing about international politics. Most countries that I am sure you are talking about have continued to be used for its minerals or its oil. I also assume you ignore the fact that most of these societies have been controlled by foreign powers since their inception. All of this control has been by &#8220;democratic&#8221; countries, so the only examples of democracy they have seen have been and continue to be those of brutal, greedy, exploitive occupiers. Not to mention when they created the boundaries they pretty much just drew lines on a map ignoring any cultural differences. Cuba&#8217;s economic problems have not come from Cuba itself, it has come from the US embargo and how it forced dependency on the Soviet Union who did not do Cuba any favors but it was the Cold War and we only gave countries two options. Go through the list at least for Latin America: Nicaragua screwed because of us, Bolivia screwed because of us, Chile screwed because of us, Argentina screwed because of us, Haiti screwed by us, Guatemala screwed by us, Honduras screwed by us, we can continue to pretty much every Latin American country there is.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Che what? by J</title>
		<link>http://theliberalconservative.com/?p=52#comment-1535</link>
		<author>J</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one quick little thing to point out among the many mistakes in your article. You point to how hilarious it is that Che was wearing a Rolex at the time of his execution. You obviously either are ignorant or choose to ignore something you already know. Che was disguised as bureaucrat when he went to Bolivia and obviously a Rolex is the perfect addition to his already intricate disguise. Also as he makes clear many times a watch is necessary in guerrilla warfare. Why would he give up his watch merely because it was part of a disguise, it still works doesn't it? Because I am out the door I choose the easiest and clearest mistake you made. I know why you made it, it clearly supports your cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one quick little thing to point out among the many mistakes in your article. You point to how hilarious it is that Che was wearing a Rolex at the time of his execution. You obviously either are ignorant or choose to ignore something you already know. Che was disguised as bureaucrat when he went to Bolivia and obviously a Rolex is the perfect addition to his already intricate disguise. Also as he makes clear many times a watch is necessary in guerrilla warfare. Why would he give up his watch merely because it was part of a disguise, it still works doesn&#8217;t it? Because I am out the door I choose the easiest and clearest mistake you made. I know why you made it, it clearly supports your cause.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Che what? by john dear</title>
		<link>http://theliberalconservative.com/?p=52#comment-1534</link>
		<author>john dear</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can all see just how well Africa and Latin America has done since they took the stand against "the cancer".

They are so productive now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can all see just how well Africa and Latin America has done since they took the stand against &#8220;the cancer&#8221;.</p>
<p>They are so productive now!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Che what? by Desmond Ebuwa</title>
		<link>http://theliberalconservative.com/?p=52#comment-1533</link>
		<author>Desmond Ebuwa</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Che and Castro started the WAR? As many questions as someone may have about the cuban revolution and the behavior of its participants, that is the statement you would like to make?

Fulgencio Batista was a ruthless dictator. A disgusting man who reflected what was in his heart by the way flaunted his country to any disgusting lowlife who had money. He was selling his people to the worst of society. I applaud Cuba for taking a stand against a world environment that chokes the life out of Africa and Latin America like a cancer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Che and Castro started the WAR? As many questions as someone may have about the cuban revolution and the behavior of its participants, that is the statement you would like to make?</p>
<p>Fulgencio Batista was a ruthless dictator. A disgusting man who reflected what was in his heart by the way flaunted his country to any disgusting lowlife who had money. He was selling his people to the worst of society. I applaud Cuba for taking a stand against a world environment that chokes the life out of Africa and Latin America like a cancer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Che what? by Chris Hanks</title>
		<link>http://theliberalconservative.com/?p=52#comment-1532</link>
		<author>Chris Hanks</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nelson -- On June 12th, 1953, having properly completed all of his requirements, Ernesto Guevara rightly earned the title “Doctor of Medicine” from The University of Buenos Aires. 

Gutierrez writes,

“For someone directly responsible for the death of so many people, it’s ironic his nickname was derived from his calling those around him pal or “che”. But it’s no surprise that others referred to him as ‘The butcher of La Cabaña’."

No, it’s not at all surprising.  However, one always has to keep in mind who’s doing the name-calling.  After all, George Washington was, by all accounts in the British press, a base and brutal terrorist.

At any rate, whether the number of executions at La Cabaña was 50 or 400, the figure is miniscule by any historical measure.  Those who cite Guevara’s role at La Cabaña as evidence of his monstrous nature seem to forget that he’d just finished ousting a corrupt, violent, brutal, murderous and torturous regime accountable to absolutely no one except the American mafia.  

Seen in this light, Guevara’s acts seem a *little* more reasonable. 

Further, Gutierrez writes,
  
“But even more ironic are the amount of financially well to do New Yorkers, particularly hipsters, who proudly wear their Che shirts as if they’re privy to esoteric politics that the average American is too stupid to grasp.”

While this is certainly true of some, it’s a little presumptuous (if not downright arrogant) to generalize this disposition to all (or even most) who’ve adopted Guevara’s image as a cultural icon.  In fact, the author might himself be stunned by the ignorance of Guevara critics, many of whom are Cuban expatriates.  An example of this are the repeated references to Guevara as a “Communist” (and to the Cuban revolution as a “Communist revolt"):  Although the politics of both Guevara and Castro were informed by Marxism, in 1958 neither was a Communist.  But another more interesting example of ignorance is offered by Gutierrez himself:

“But the true irony is the fact that many Che supporters are people who find it morally reprehensible that the Bush administration waged a war in Iraq but are completely oblivious to the guerilla warfare Che instigated in Africa’s Congo and Latin America. For those who admire Che’s shunning of material wealth, possibly the ultimate irony is the fact he was wearing a Rolex at the time of his own execution in Bolivia.”

Gutierrez would have us believe that Guevara –- a guy who gave up a cushy life as an upper-crust doctor in Buenos Aires to go battle CIA-backed corporate armies in Guatemala –- is pulling a fast one on us, sneaking around with good-life spoils dangling mockingly from his wrist.

Apparently Gutierrez is unaware that the most critical element in guerilla warfare is coordination and timing.  In guerrilla warfare, jungle units often go days or more without communication until a raid –- one requiring accurate, to-the-second timing -– is to be executed.  This is why Guevara and other unit commanders used quartz crystal wrist watches:  As instruments of warfare, they were the best available.  Maybe this information is too esoteric for Gutierrez to be privy to, but I learned it from some teenager wearing a Che tee-shirt.

Regardless of what drove Gutierrez to make this error (be it personal bias, ignorance, or a purposeful intent to mislead), this and other "mistakes" are commonplace among those who see Guevara’s image as a threat.  An almost adolescent discomfort with novelty (or their reverence for authority – flip sides of the same coin) leads some to impugn the motives of all who wave Guevara’s banner, and a capacity for seeing the true message of his icon – that the only durable power is one that is just – is obscured.
 
Thankfully, after eight years of Batista-esque American governance, fewer of us have such blurry vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nelson &#8212; On June 12th, 1953, having properly completed all of his requirements, Ernesto Guevara rightly earned the title “Doctor of Medicine” from The University of Buenos Aires. </p>
<p>Gutierrez writes,</p>
<p>“For someone directly responsible for the death of so many people, it’s ironic his nickname was derived from his calling those around him pal or “che”. But it’s no surprise that others referred to him as ‘The butcher of La Cabaña’.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it’s not at all surprising.  However, one always has to keep in mind who’s doing the name-calling.  After all, George Washington was, by all accounts in the British press, a base and brutal terrorist.</p>
<p>At any rate, whether the number of executions at La Cabaña was 50 or 400, the figure is miniscule by any historical measure.  Those who cite Guevara’s role at La Cabaña as evidence of his monstrous nature seem to forget that he’d just finished ousting a corrupt, violent, brutal, murderous and torturous regime accountable to absolutely no one except the American mafia.  </p>
<p>Seen in this light, Guevara’s acts seem a *little* more reasonable. </p>
<p>Further, Gutierrez writes,</p>
<p>“But even more ironic are the amount of financially well to do New Yorkers, particularly hipsters, who proudly wear their Che shirts as if they’re privy to esoteric politics that the average American is too stupid to grasp.”</p>
<p>While this is certainly true of some, it’s a little presumptuous (if not downright arrogant) to generalize this disposition to all (or even most) who’ve adopted Guevara’s image as a cultural icon.  In fact, the author might himself be stunned by the ignorance of Guevara critics, many of whom are Cuban expatriates.  An example of this are the repeated references to Guevara as a “Communist” (and to the Cuban revolution as a “Communist revolt&#8221;):  Although the politics of both Guevara and Castro were informed by Marxism, in 1958 neither was a Communist.  But another more interesting example of ignorance is offered by Gutierrez himself:</p>
<p>“But the true irony is the fact that many Che supporters are people who find it morally reprehensible that the Bush administration waged a war in Iraq but are completely oblivious to the guerilla warfare Che instigated in Africa’s Congo and Latin America. For those who admire Che’s shunning of material wealth, possibly the ultimate irony is the fact he was wearing a Rolex at the time of his own execution in Bolivia.”</p>
<p>Gutierrez would have us believe that Guevara –- a guy who gave up a cushy life as an upper-crust doctor in Buenos Aires to go battle CIA-backed corporate armies in Guatemala –- is pulling a fast one on us, sneaking around with good-life spoils dangling mockingly from his wrist.</p>
<p>Apparently Gutierrez is unaware that the most critical element in guerilla warfare is coordination and timing.  In guerrilla warfare, jungle units often go days or more without communication until a raid –- one requiring accurate, to-the-second timing -– is to be executed.  This is why Guevara and other unit commanders used quartz crystal wrist watches:  As instruments of warfare, they were the best available.  Maybe this information is too esoteric for Gutierrez to be privy to, but I learned it from some teenager wearing a Che tee-shirt.</p>
<p>Regardless of what drove Gutierrez to make this error (be it personal bias, ignorance, or a purposeful intent to mislead), this and other &#8220;mistakes&#8221; are commonplace among those who see Guevara’s image as a threat.  An almost adolescent discomfort with novelty (or their reverence for authority – flip sides of the same coin) leads some to impugn the motives of all who wave Guevara’s banner, and a capacity for seeing the true message of his icon – that the only durable power is one that is just – is obscured.</p>
<p>Thankfully, after eight years of Batista-esque American governance, fewer of us have such blurry vision.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Che what? by Todd</title>
		<link>http://theliberalconservative.com/?p=52#comment-1531</link>
		<author>Todd</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jose Gaviria 12/16/08 wrote

" I would like to straighten out the record. First, the executions you are attributing to him were done in the fervor after a revolution and wartime. War brings the worst in all characters,..."

Readers should remember that Che was a non-Cuban, who, along with Castro, STARTED the war..."that brings the worst in all characters"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose Gaviria 12/16/08 wrote</p>
<p>&#8221; I would like to straighten out the record. First, the executions you are attributing to him were done in the fervor after a revolution and wartime. War brings the worst in all characters,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Readers should remember that Che was a non-Cuban, who, along with Castro, STARTED the war&#8230;&#8221;that brings the worst in all characters&#8221;</p>
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